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17:05 < Felipe_NCC> Hello. Welcome to Plenary / 16:00. My name is Felipe Victolla from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring chat during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out for you. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation. Please note that all chat transcripts will be archived and made available to the public on
17:05 < Felipe_NCC> https://ripe69.ripe.net/
17:05 < Felipe_NCC> Steven Murdoch has begun the presentation "Challenges in Building Overlay Networks: a Case Study of Tor".
17:06 < boggits> mic sounds awful on stream
17:06 < brian-1213> boggits: It's not great in the room either.
17:06 < brian-1213> It's a lapel mic and it's very echo-y, not sure if the stage mic is picking up stuff as well.
17:07 < boggits> sounds more like the stage mic and not the lapel
17:09 < keith_24865> so I guess one "DIY Social" option tomorrow would be to go watch Citizen Four..
17:13 < shane> Is it just me or is it ironic that a privacy-destroying service like Facebook makes itself available over Tor?
17:14 < murb> shane: more contraversial is they got a ssl cert for a .onion 🙂
17:14 < shane> Hoho!!!
17:17 < wiro> I can't help but I have always feeling that is safer using public internet then Tor network.
17:18 < Habbie> this is not strictly untrue
17:18 < Habbie> it is also certainly not strictly true
17:18 < Habbie> using TOR may increase the chances of the plain traffic getting recorded
17:19 < murb> Habbie: *Tor*
17:20 < shane> For me I think the biggest risk is forgetting to turn Tor off when I go to sites I assume are NSA-monitored (like Google+ or Facebook).
17:20 < murb> shane: use the tor browser bundle.
17:20 < murb> it is quite clear that it is tor.
17:20 < Habbie> murb, oh, apologies
17:20 < murb> shane: and you might just not want them to know wher eyou are, so using google+ or facebook via tor is pretty okay.
17:21 < Habbie> turns out it is *no longer* an acronym
17:22 < wiro> Tor is like big red glowing pipe saying.. hey here is traffic which users want to "hide"
17:22 < wiro> so let's focus on this 🙂
17:22 < shane> wiro: That's why you should use it as much as possible. 😛
17:26 < murb> you can use tor to reach the v6 internet from the v4 internet and VV 🙂
17:26 < shane> I thought Tor was IPv4 only?
17:26 < murb> shane: not any more.
17:26 < shane> Interesting.
17:27 < murb> although v6 support is still work in progress.
17:29 < shane> O(n^2)... but not as bad O(n^2). 😛
17:32 < Felipe_NCC> Steven Murdoch has asked for questions.
17:37 < Felipe_NCC> The presentation has ended.
17:38 < Felipe_NCC> Tatiana Tropina has begun the presentation "Recent Developments of Cybersecurity Legislation in the EU: From Voluntary Approaches Back to Regulation?".
17:40 < keith_24865> yay "CYBER" buzzword bingo...
17:41 < kit_chrisr> is it just my mbp or is the PDF for this borked on ripe69 site ?
17:41 < brian-1213> Oh, this is a prezi turned into a pdf, I think.
17:42 < kit_chrisr> no cyber on irc. this aint the 90s
17:42 < kit_chrisr> =)
17:42 < kit_chrisr> brian-1213, yeah I get a brainstorm pdf with pics all of the place
17:43 < brian-1213> Yeah, that's what it is so. We'll see if we can get something a bit more... normal after the fact.
17:43 < kit_chrisr> ty
17:46 < kit_chrisr> unrelated to this presentation , but is there food at the party tonight ?
17:46 < kit_chrisr> as in proper food. I'm northern.
17:46 < kit_chrisr> fish & chips in a cone != fish and chips 🙂
17:47 < brian-1213> Generally there is a variety of finger food.
17:48 < kit_chrisr> ty - thats what I thought.
17:49 < Samm> Why not to leave it on a national level?
17:49 < kit_chrisr> scribes doing a stunning job here..
17:51 < shane> The capitalistic model can't fail - it's good for everything, right?
17:52 < shane> Right?
17:52 < shane> 😛
17:59 < murb> imposed trust!
17:59 < shane> Roadmap to a police state?
18:00 < Samm> something like that. reporting of ecommerce platforms is a crazy idea
18:00 < shane> Good this talk came after the Tor one. 😉
18:00 < Samm> 🙂
18:02 < Habbie> kit_chrisr, as a rule of thumb, always feed yourself before drinks, never rely fully on whatever the host is offering
18:03 < shane> Habbie: alcohol can substitute for food in a pinch though
18:03 < murb> Samm: what about global multicast DNS services, on a shoe string?
18:03 < kit_chrisr> Habbie, yep, have the NOFBOF then welcome then venue - seriously debating skipping and going for food
18:03 < murb> regulator costs probably > 1000$
18:03 < Habbie> shane, the point of the food is to deal with the alcohol better 😉
18:03 < murb> soakage!
18:04 < kit_chrisr> we drank the chablis bar dry last night 🙂
18:04 < brian-1213> It wasn't that deep a bar.
18:04 < Habbie> it did not feel like a challenge, no
18:04 < Felipe_NCC> Tatiana Tropina has asked for questions.
18:04 < kit_chrisr> brian-1213, true
18:04 < Habbie> kit_chrisr, what art are you considering skipping?
18:05 < Felipe_NCC> The presentation has ended.
18:05 < kit_chrisr> Habbie: the party (yes, I did just say that!)
18:05 < Habbie> kit_chrisr, ah
18:06 < Habbie> kit_chrisr, well you can just come to the party later
18:06 < Felipe_NCC> Raymond Cheng has begun the presentation "uProxy: a Social Proxy for Your Browser".
18:06 < kit_chrisr> buzzword - overlay networks
18:06 < Habbie> kit_chrisr, which is what i'm considering
18:06 < kit_chrisr> Habbie: last free bus at 20:30
18:06 < kit_chrisr> could tube it
18:06 < Habbie> sure, i don't even sleep here
18:06 < Habbie> so i'm tubing anyway
18:06 < Habbie> couple bucks
18:07 < kit_chrisr> will see after not bof
18:07 < kit_chrisr> nof bof methinks
18:07 < Habbie> ye
18:09 < boggits> Q. What did the content owners say when you explained this to them?
18:09 < kit_chrisr> good Q boggits
18:10 < shane> Sad when there's a percentage of Internet traffic that is /less/ than IPv6 penetration.
18:10 < shane> 😉
18:11 < boggits> doesn't that 2.9% include ipv6
18:12 < shane> Who can know? But IPv6 is well over 4% now, according to Google at least.
18:12 < boggits> and google is https by default...
18:13 < shane> Although I got a scary message from Google image search yesterday. Apparently my hotel was redirecting me from https to http.
18:13 < shane> And for some reason Google let it happen. 🙁
18:13 < murb> shane: google have a special hostname that does that.
18:13 < shane> With a warning pop-up, but... wtf?
18:13 < brian-1213> shane: I would have thought you were using at least seven layers of VPN?
18:13 < murb> so hotspot providers do't have mitm https
18:13 < shane> This is what happens when I don't use Tor. 😉
18:14 < shane> Although Google used to be annoying through Tor, asking for captcha stuff. I don't know now...
18:14 < murb> nosslsearch.google.com is special magic.
18:14 < murb> used for this.
18:15 < shane> Good to know, although I just use DuckDuckGo in such circumstances now.
18:15 < Habbie> ddg <3
18:16 < sjoerd_NCC> quackquackno (ssl)
18:16 < murb> shane: if the wireless provider permits nosslsearch.google.com. you can use it to access tor via the meek transport (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/meek)
18:17 < Habbie> can anyone in here fix the 'hedgehod' typo on https://ripe69.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/os-wg/ ?
18:18 < kit_chrisr> if we can fix the que at the coffee station, anything is possible
18:18 < Habbie> haha
18:18 < shane> Is the support for the meek stuff required on the server side?
18:18 < shane> My guess is "yes".
18:19 < shane> Not that this is bad, just wondering. 🙂
18:20 < sjmurdoch> shane: Tor Browser ships with pre-configured meek servers, or you can set up your own with a free Google AppSpot account
18:20 < shane> Cool.
18:23 * kit_chrisr installs squid.
18:24 < boggits> Q. What doe the content owners think of your new tool for getting around geo localisation?
18:24 < Felipe_NCC> Raymond Cheng has asked for questions.
18:24 < boggits> see above
18:25 < Felipe_NCC> @boggits Can you please say your name and organisation?
18:25 < boggits> james blessing, keycom
18:25 < kit_chrisr> oops
18:26 * boggits giggles
18:26 < kit_chrisr> double oops
18:28 -!- marita_home is now known as marita
18:29 < kit_chrisr> mahtin now in line ...
18:29 < shane> Just throw up a wall of text click-through EULA. 😛
18:30 < kit_chrisr> I think this is probably whats called a learning experience
18:31 < kit_chrisr> hey thomas
18:31 < tm-exa> kit_chrisr hi 🙂
18:32 < brian-1213> What could possibly go wrong?!
18:32 < boggits> "How hard could it be?"
18:32 < kit_chrisr> I admire the bravey
18:32 < kit_chrisr> bravery
18:34 < brian-1213> Very brave, Bernard.
18:34 < shane> Shocking that network engineers worry about users taking control of the network for themselves.
18:34 < shane> Shocking.
18:35 < kit_chrisr> #nofbof
18:35 < shane> kit_chrisr: Why don't you like the FBoF? "No FBoF" indeed.... 😉
18:35 < kit_chrisr> can RIPE NCC folks confirm busses 20:00 or 20:30 ?
18:36 < Habbie> racy bof!
18:37 < Felipe_NCC> Buses between 18:30-20:30 every 15-20 minutes
18:37 < Felipe_NCC> This session has now ended.